Dawid J You think it's not possible? But free as not costing money / time - not as coming from nowhere.
Tuesday 2 February 2016, 20:57:04
[deleted user] I was being sarcastic, it didn't translate over this medium very well. Where does electricity come from? Why does spinning some copper wire formed into a certain geometry within a magnetic field produce electricity? Where does that come from? What is that?
[deleted user] Oh, ouch Paul, ouch, ouch, ouch. That just hurts, stop, you're killing me. ;)
Wednesday 3 February 2016, 00:21:28
Dawid J @Paul, thanks for sharing but I don't think bunch of definitions explain anything.
Wednesday 3 February 2016, 00:31:16
Dawid J I'm not an engineer and never had much interest in physics/chemistry (yeah.. thanks modern education and dumb teachers who can kill all excitement in topics like this) and just trying to understand the concept. If we discard some ideas, just because they don't fit our current knowledge about the topic then where's room for new inventions? Sorry if I'm not getting the intentions right - as you can probably guess, English is not my native language ;)
Wednesday 3 February 2016, 00:36:11
Paul Hi Dawid, you are better than I am at English and I was born here! Teachers, public schools, blah blah... What I was trying to point out was that the term 'electricity' means different things to different people. The same problem comes up with the term 'money'. As for the motors, there is a phenomenon known as back-emf where a motor starts to fight itself the faster it turns. The field windings and the rotor interact with each other. Get rid of the back-electromotive force and the motor efficiency goes way up. Efficiency over 100% doesn't mean over-unity, but a factor of efficiency over a standard motor. Sheesh! how did I get to be so Boring!
Wednesday 3 February 2016, 01:15:46
[deleted user] I think the universe works in very simple, elegant ways, and it's we humans who complicate things with our misunderstandings. Add to that 100 years of concerted effort to obscure and mislead people from seeing the truth in science, just like they've done with every single other topic of study. You're right Dawid, modern education has a way of killing all excitement in these topics. What is energy? What is electricity? It's the same basic thing that creates every aspect of the universe; a union of male & female polarities. In this union, the male projective polarity is multiplied by the female receptive polarity. The male polarity is the dielectric field, and the female is the magnetic field. The male is small, and exists in the smallest of spaces, the smaller the space, the more of it can be stored, the more capacitance that exists. It's contracting, constricting, it exerts an inward force that pulls materials together, compacts the space between the materials it's trying to occupy, and thus creates more counterspace, a more suitable place for it to occupy in ever larger quantities. The female is large, it pushes out, the farther apart the materials it's trying to occupy, the more inductance exists, and thus, more magnetism can exist. It's as simple as this. The product of the two, the total amount dielectricity multiplied by the total amount of magnetism, in union (i.e. the cross of their respective fields), gives the total amount electricity. Measured in terms of the amount that is being produced or consumed per second, ultimately gives you Watt seconds, which is the dimension of energy. All energy in the universe is a dance that is being orchestrated between male and female polarities, constantly constricting and pushing out, constricting and pushing out, pulsating in orgasmic ecstatic states of alternate preponderance that brings about harmonious balance and drives the wheel work of nature. Ask Tesla, Goethe, or Walter Russell, they knew.
Wednesday 3 February 2016, 01:39:55
Dawid J First: it's annoying every time I hit 'enter' it sends the message... I would prefer a button or something. All the time I'm double or triple posting here...
Dawid J aaaand forgetting shift+enter does nothing else than sending it LOL Back on the topic... What we know and what we understand as a combined knowledge we gathered + our unique way of interpreting it. The problem I see in people (including myself) is automated response. No 'why?' or 'how?'. Just - that;s the definition. That's the outcome. If someone questions it - he's an idiot. BUT - can global consciousness (even if it was falsely created on the beginning) affect reality? I think we all agree even a single person can change reality (or whatever we perceive as reality) so what a can do whole planet? What it by pushing those 'basic physic laws' we've ended up in a self fulfilling prophecy. Some creations won't work not because they can't - but because our minds are not allowing them to work? Just a thought... I'm a complete noob when it comes to open mind. I wouldn't even say I woke up yet. Just starting to open one eye to check if it's morning already...
Wednesday 3 February 2016, 02:01:37
Paul What is missing these days is what was called 'Natural Philosophy' or as Yogi Berra said "you can observe a lot just by looking"
[deleted user] Natural Philosophy, yes! Qualitative science! Quantitative science is great, we need the measurements, but, there's more to discovery and understanding. One of my favorite books on Natural Philosophy was written by a painter named Edwin D. Babbit in 1878 called The Principles of Light and Color (http://shamanicengineering.org/…) in which the author begins at the end, describing the outward appearances of things, and ends with the most outstanding descriptions of the atom and the subtle forces in the universe. Absolutely brilliant piece of work in my opinion.
Wednesday 3 February 2016, 02:37:51
Paul WOW!! What a cool site! I'll be busy reading tomorrow....
Wednesday 3 February 2016, 03:01:34
[deleted user] I agree Dawid, the answers and definitions we receive so often come from people that have been trained in academia, where you're expected to read and memorize a definition written by someone else, with being provided an ounce of empirical evidence, and then regurgitate it on demand to satisfy a test of "knowledge", your teachers, and your peers. My "definition" of electricity is very unorthodox, and would be laughed at by teachers in academic electrical engineering classes. And yet, my answer was arrived at by detailed study of the geniuses who gave us our electrical science, namely Oliver Heaviside, J.J. Thomson, Nikola Tesla, and C.P. Steinmetz.
Thursday 4 February 2016, 02:20:47
[deleted user] Thank you Paul! I'm really glad to see another as excited to see the compilation as we had putting it together.
Thursday 4 February 2016, 02:21:52
Dawid J To this day I remember explanation from school why a copper wire won't produce electricity on it's own (when I was wondering if it can't work the same way as pressure difference creating a vacuum in a chimney). The answer was: no, because there's no elementary electrostatic charge. To this day I have no idea what that actually means - other than having my final grade lowered, despite the fact I was one of the two (out of 30+) kids in the group that actually was interested in the topic and did understand what the "prison guard" was talking about.
Thursday 4 February 2016, 02:28:40
Dawid J Definitions are a way to stop us from searching for an answer. Shortcuts are good. No need to discover everything over and over but... If you build new definitions based on previous ones - all it takes is a single, false one on the beginning.
Thursday 4 February 2016, 02:31:35
[deleted user] Oh my, now you are on to something. It is all pressure differentials! I like the "prison guard" reference, ha!! You seem like a smart person, which is probably why you got a bad grade. Smart people aren't appreciated in school, they want people who can be molded. I haven't given up on the theories about the ether that our great electrical discoveries were based upon. For thousands of years there has been an understanding that a primordial, luminiferous ether exists. The Michaelson-Morley experiment claimed to prove otherwise, that the ether does not exist, and this was done in a matter of hours. The reason they failed to find proof of the ether is because of two fundamental flaws in their thinking, 1) that the ether is static, which it is not, it's dynamic, and 2) that the speed of light is constant, which it is not. Charge is ether under stress, a pressure differential, and very much like a vacuum in a chimney! By spinning coils of wire in a magnetic field, you're creating a pressure differential that pumps electricity out of the ether. So, how do we siphon instead?
Thursday 4 February 2016, 03:54:54
Dawid J I have nothing else than absolute hatred to the formal education system. I ended up studying to become a teacher (I was running away from forced military service) and then I've learned that 1 out of 30 people have beed there from their own choice. Majority didn't had a better idea and campus was close home or they didn't managed to get where they wanted to go. Those people ware finishing studies, getting diplomas and a lot of them ended up as teachers...
Thursday 4 February 2016, 04:22:06
Dawid J But that's the problem with basic concepts. If over unity (assuming that definition is more or less on track...) is the goal - you can't output more then you input... Maybe that's true if your goal would be the same energy on both ends, but... https://youtube.com/watch/…
Thursday 4 February 2016, 04:29:04
[deleted user] The term that seems to be in vogue at the moment is Coeffecient of Performance, or COP. You're right, you can't get more out than you put in because of drag, or resistance, which is why I started my comments to this thread with "free energy is a hoax", because it largely is. The question is, what are all of the inputs, and where do they come from? If you can take advantage of environmental factors to add to your input, you can indeed get more out of a system than you personally put in, even though there are losses, because nature adds something to your effort. Our systems of government are prime examples of free energy, truly getting more out than they put in! Our fake "capitalist" system (a misnomer, really) is also geared to getting more out than is put in. Tell me that your tax authority, or the bankers running your stock exchange aren't reaping the "free energy" of the masses! Inputs can come from nature, without you doing anything except carefully crafting a device to harness them.
Thursday 4 February 2016, 06:00:54
[deleted user] I would also add that nature in the large and small is a "free energy" machine, eternally recycling itself and resupplying itself anew. From a single seed a tree or vine will grow, producing many fruits and vegetables, each containing many seeds, sometimes for many years. As a farmer you're getting more out than you put in, but the sun, the earth, the rain, the worms and microbes, all have to be considered in the inputs. Here's a description of COP, as it relates to "over unity" devices http://peswiki.com/index.php/….